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	<title>Comments on: Citigroup Inc - Love/Hate Relationship</title>
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	<description>Using Rapidminer to model trends in the financial markets</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Digital Dude</title>
		<link>http://www.neuralmarkettrends.com/2007/11/12/citigroup-inc-lovehate-relationship/#comment-2146</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

WTF...  You would fly it into the dirt?  OMG...

Wow, is that what your NN and AI say to do?

Maybe I should stick with fundamental and technical analysis only and not add NN and AI after all.  ;-)

Cordially,

- Digital Dude -

PS - Can you say stop?  You are training your own wet work AI to do the wrong thing here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>WTF&#8230;  You would fly it into the dirt?  OMG&#8230;</p>
<p>Wow, is that what your NN and AI say to do?</p>
<p>Maybe I should stick with fundamental and technical analysis only and not add NN and AI after all.  <img src='http://www.neuralmarkettrends.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cordially,</p>
<p>- Digital Dude -</p>
<p>PS - Can you say stop?  You are training your own wet work AI to do the wrong thing here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.neuralmarkettrends.com/2007/11/12/citigroup-inc-lovehate-relationship/#comment-2141</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane: Good question.  My position is C is relatively tiny compared to my overall investments.  I own about 300 shares of C and I would ride it lower till $1, then I'll sell.  Chances are the US gov't will bail C out before then or some Saudia Bank will buy C up completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane: Good question.  My position is C is relatively tiny compared to my overall investments.  I own about 300 shares of C and I would ride it lower till $1, then I&#8217;ll sell.  Chances are the US gov&#8217;t will bail C out before then or some Saudia Bank will buy C up completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.neuralmarkettrends.com/2007/11/12/citigroup-inc-lovehate-relationship/#comment-2140</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, if C keeps getting more bad news and keeps going down, is there a price that you would sell at, or would you ride it all the way to 0?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, if C keeps getting more bad news and keeps going down, is there a price that you would sell at, or would you ride it all the way to 0?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.neuralmarkettrends.com/2007/11/12/citigroup-inc-lovehate-relationship/#comment-2139</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>accella: my cost average is around $35, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>accella: my cost average is around $35, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: accella</title>
		<link>http://www.neuralmarkettrends.com/2007/11/12/citigroup-inc-lovehate-relationship/#comment-2137</link>
		<dc:creator>accella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodness gracious this has become interesting. In the hiatus, I managed to get filled on an LEH position at 21.35, rode it up and stopped out at 22.47.

To answer a pp, heck yes, I use stops. Laddered with the last line of defense high enough to cover my trading costs. Simple strategy for a simple mind. Although I wished I held tough on NUE instead of stopping out

Still afraid to bulk up on C, although this has to be the trough, no? Just curious, who here has the lowest cost average on C?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodness gracious this has become interesting. In the hiatus, I managed to get filled on an LEH position at 21.35, rode it up and stopped out at 22.47.</p>
<p>To answer a pp, heck yes, I use stops. Laddered with the last line of defense high enough to cover my trading costs. Simple strategy for a simple mind. Although I wished I held tough on NUE instead of stopping out</p>
<p>Still afraid to bulk up on C, although this has to be the trough, no? Just curious, who here has the lowest cost average on C?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.neuralmarkettrends.com/2007/11/12/citigroup-inc-lovehate-relationship/#comment-1791</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DD: I hardly ever use technical indicators these days, I just use my NN models to find BUY/SELL opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DD: I hardly ever use technical indicators these days, I just use my NN models to find BUY/SELL opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: Digital Dude</title>
		<link>http://www.neuralmarkettrends.com/2007/11/12/citigroup-inc-lovehate-relationship/#comment-1786</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could never gronk the idea of overbought or oversold...

It seems to me that all new/fresh highs or lows are...

The indicators that I have looked at which purport overbought/sold conditions do not seem to consider things like outstanding shares and float.

Maybe this is another area where AI and NNs can give us an edge ;-)

Cordially,

-Digital Dude-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could never gronk the idea of overbought or oversold&#8230;</p>
<p>It seems to me that all new/fresh highs or lows are&#8230;</p>
<p>The indicators that I have looked at which purport overbought/sold conditions do not seem to consider things like outstanding shares and float.</p>
<p>Maybe this is another area where AI and NNs can give us an edge <img src='http://www.neuralmarkettrends.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cordially,</p>
<p>-Digital Dude-</p>
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		<title>By: Accella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Accella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Tom:

Yup. Triggered seconds before I called in to drop the stop another dollar down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tom:</p>
<p>Yup. Triggered seconds before I called in to drop the stop another dollar down.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I've a comment snagged by Akismet above, you can delete this one after that..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I&#8217;ve a comment snagged by Akismet above, you can delete this one after that..)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.neuralmarkettrends.com/2007/11/12/citigroup-inc-lovehate-relationship/#comment-1769</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acella: Did you get stopped out?  It looks like C hit $17.99 as a low

DC: Yeah I was pretty shocked to see the utter collapse of Bear Stearns but it goes to show you what can happen without a gold standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acella: Did you get stopped out?  It looks like C hit $17.99 as a low</p>
<p>DC: Yeah I was pretty shocked to see the utter collapse of Bear Stearns but it goes to show you what can happen without a gold standard.</p>
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